It is disheartening to see that now the CBT has taken up the tangent argument...
...And the disheartened bondholders
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So to those who keep telling us that the debt-to-GDP ratio is very low in Turkey, and hence further fiscal expansion and/or a very gradual adjustment are affordable, our response is unchanged: it’s not the level, but the speed (with which debt is rising), the maturity (still short at about 3 years on newly issued debt), and absorptive capacity (of financial markets) that are concerning us.
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-3 out of 4 families cutting expenditures in Turkey- from a survey- probably the same survey as used in the ECA meeting.
- document from WB on LICs, presented to G-20, was taken as basis for discussion- must read in the next few days!
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CANADA MOF:
We have boring fin system, was criticism, now compliment.
Will discuss how we got fiscal sustain ability.
Do budget annually on January
Moved quickly from surplus to deficit: reduce taxes, spending for job losing people, workshare programs.
Our lesson: 70sa we had deficit spending and public debt, accepted by public until noticed that tax money was going to interest.
Discipline and we had balance budgets. They use private sector forecasts for growth- has brought credibility to projections, now changing because hardly a consensus.
Use it or lose it policy to funding to regions,Temp measures to unemployed: half of deficit. For two years then we depend on growth, if growth less, we cut spending.
I encourage you to contain spending (advice to PM).
RWANDA minister or economic planning:
Not many notes as a result of massacre of Shakespearian and my own Inonu-like hearing problems. sorry:(....
What to do with limited needs?
Alejandro (MEXICO, ex-IMF)
I will talk about general fiscal policy, exit strategies and Mexico.
Key Idea in stimulis frameworks to concentrate on hardest-hit. Put this in programs right now so to be ready for next crisis.
Calculate steady state debt dynamics- measure fiscal adjustment, how we'll reach new steady state. Put adjustment ASAP. Optimal design. Frontload these because 1. political will to sustain these, sooner we cut, better 2. Credibility effects for LR adjustments. 3. Uncertainty of adjustment will effect private sector decisions. So accelerate design and discussion of programs- exit strategies. Mexico: severely hit by recession, gdp contraction like TR (keske bizde de boyel adam olsaydi). We were liq,but had solvency issues. We face fiscal problem associated with decline production of oil. So we have temporary and permanent shocks. Transitory will be done with deficit and nonrecurrent revenues. Permanent by increase in non-oil revenues, so increase income tax. We protect anti-poverty and infrastructure problems to compensate effects of recession.
Q: PM complaining about CBT independence. Gov does MTFR, fiscal rule? Is priority fiscal rule or creating jobs. Questioner CHP MP, I think.
A.SF:I don't follow Turkey closely anymore. Current priority is to get out of recession.
Q. What policies should be used by G-20?
A. Canada: coordination.
Q: what about exit? Are there objective criteria for exit.
A. Canada: when is when we see recovery for sure- sustained growth for a couple of quarters before implement exit strategy. Mexico: country-specific, need to balance out.
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PLH: Tough times. Global loosening of mon fis policy. Signs of recovery. Families under stress as breadwinner lose jobs+ food and oil price hikes made hh go deep in pockets. U going up, poverty growing. Danger is weak and jobless recovery. Financing needs highest in ECA by widest margin.
1. Clean up banking
2. Improve business climate
3. Make public exp. Efficient
4. Continue inv. In infrastructure.
I will share this message with Fin Min in next few days.
IL:
Bad news- crisis not close to over in ECA, esp. For workers and families but also true for gov. Working with smaller budgets.
- good news for businesses: IP stopped falling mid-year but external debt usd 350bn due.
- bad news for families: U, poverty- stress tests bad
- tough times for gov: fiscal def from 1.5-5.5; stress tests show pension def rising to 5-6 percent GDP.
1.
IP stopped contracting in Q2. Interest rates come down for gov and firms but still twice before crisis.
Business regulations better! (TR bir bok yapmadi burada)
But huge debt obligations due
So mixed news for firms
2.
Bad news for hh
Poverty rising throughout region
Numbers do not tell you how worse people become
Surveys in TR and Montenegro says people use access to utilities
Rising job losses: TR one of hardest hit- in TR doubled. (Rise in registered u)
ISKUR data used for TR
Incomes in TR falling
Reg U tip in iceberg: survey from june: self-employed especially hard
Income losses+ fuel+ finance: difficult to pay bills
HH hit fin, product, labor markets!
HH stress tests show distress:
1. Many poor hh insolvent before crisis (find graph for Turkey).
2. XXX
3. If public many used , it should be targeted at poor hh
3. GOV:
- countries making small progress in fiscal until crisis. Em changed 2008, 2009 for rest. This year all deficits.
Most countries did not save in goof times
- asked to do more with less!
- social assistance for needy
- soc second for elderly
Social assistance programs good in region and well-targeted (compare graphs for TR).
- reforms needed for social second, but possible: adjust pensions to COLAs, improves a lot! Increase retirement age, even more (purple line)
Messages:
Good news for firms, no good shoots for workers!!!
Tighter money ahead (lowe growth, higher deficit)- smaller deficits for government.
So need fiscal consolidation, not indis. cuts. More efficiency of spending. But not easy, so we are helping out.
Last slide shows how they are helping out.
QUESTIONS:
Q. Speed up reforms says reports. Are they doing well?
A. Difficult to generalize, but look at Doing Business report, region doing well. Risk is reforms stopping, don't forget EE convergence was mainly due to private. debt inflows. Now none so make sure there is rollover.
Q. Is EC doing well?
A. Yes, and coordination mechanism working as well.
Q. Can you talk about Baltics?
Baltics hit but they got demand inc. With inflows from Scandinavian, so important that these banks do not withdraw. IL: these are very small economies, so they needed to integrate markets. They did very well before crises, are giving back gains, but not all. On EU: I think done well in helping integrate markets, institutions. Q is whether this integration can continue. Key is strong institutions. Anecdote: german consumers bought cars in poland, this is well designed program, not national.
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I'll give my current outlook. 6 questions:
1. Current Outlook: shape of the recovery: V, U (like me), W.
2. ROW. Bottoming out- light at the end of the tunnel in Asia? Can china and EM be new locomotive.
3. Financial institutions in the US.
4. Whether inflation or deflation?
5. Exit strategies from monetary and fiscal stimulus. If too soon, back to recession, if too long and monetize deficits, uppppps....
6. What's been happening in mkts since March? How much of recovery by fundamentals? How much too quick, too fast?
1.
1st observation: first we had freefall. Fall last year PM that had been in denial looked at freefall and decided to act with full force. Different degrees but most did. That stopped free fall, in Q2 rate of decrease. Close to bottom now. What is shape of recovery:
US: anemic, well before potential. Why? Job condition awful. Compared to january better, but still high compared to previous recession. Firms cuts hours, reduction wages etc, so impact on con. Bad
2nd obs: this was a credit of excessive debt, leverage. Develeraging is not occurring right now- massive releveraging of public sector.
5 reasons why recovery weak:
1. Consumer in trouble- it makes much of gdp.
2. Financial system still in trouble. Also destruction of shadow banking- SIVs, securitization, delevearing by priv. Eq, hedge funds.
3. Corporate sector: we have with so much debt they are lucky the don't shut down. Even others will not do much cap reasons because there is glut of capacity and because there won't be rapid growth in profitability.
4. We need fiscals stimulis. But large deficits crowd out private sector.
5. In last decade, we had imbalances.
Other advanced:
I am more worried because:
1. Potential growth lower
2. Productivity will not improve by much.
EM:
More bullish because;
1. Did not have as much leverage
2. Good financial systems.
3. Potential growth rate higher. Already
Recovery in some.
4. Have room for countercyclical policy.
But could they be locomotive of growth? No. China not big enough!
Could they fully de couple? No. There is already some decoupling, but if growth weak in main, they won't go to rates before.
Turkey:
Was a sound econ. at eve of crisis. Corporate sector stopped capex. Reversal of capital flows. But since banking sector robust, no baling crises like other EM.
Prospects for TR: 1.since open econ. If eurozone robust, good for TR
2. Fiscal consolidation very important. Is the mt fiscal sustainability OK? IMF will be + for investors-confidence. Does not need IMF money, but signalling effects will be important.
TR will also do reforms, taxation reforms, flexibility in labor markets, liabilities in social security and healthcare. You need to diversify exports.
INFLATiOn DEFLATION: in short ruin deflation because 1.firms do nor have much pricing power. 2. Slack in labor markets. Slack in good and labor markets imply deflation. We have deflation today in many countries. In world more def than inf pressure. Wall of liq: not inflationary because lack of velocity. This liq go to assets, but not to goods. But next year inf risk because 1. If mon deficits, expected inflation could get out of control 2. Wall of money chasing commodities. 3. Usd main currency of carry trade, could lead to inf because of FX, through inverse relationship with comm. prices
V. EXIT STRATEGY; 2 edged shitty stick:)!!! If you don't if difficult to inc taxes, the bond mkt vigilantes will be worried- 8:52:18 PM bond yields inc- stagflation! Very narrow and razor-edged. Double dip risk is here.
VI. ASSET MKTS: Rally since march. Some warranted by fundamentals. Because L was being priced; that tail risk has been reduced by mon fis easing and backstopping of fin. Sector. There is now light at end of tunnel. 3. Risk aversion lower, so moving to more risky assets. Why do I worry about relapse? If recovery weak, 3 reasons for mkt correction in risky assets.
1. If U rather V, will be worse than expected.
2. Surprise on downside on earnings and profits. If rec anemic, quantity not growing, curring prices, so revenue anemic. Better results because slashing costs, but can't go on forever.
3. If high U, weakness of fin system bigger. Real estate prices lower, credit card losses.
CONCLUSION: either V shaped recovery or markets adjust (something's gotta give).If I am right, after new year, weaker than expected, than commodity prices, stocks, credit will correct. EM risky because money rushing to EM- they increased more than developed. But will not be as in March.
ED: so the light at the end of the tunnel is the train!
Q: where will liq. Go to?
A: still very easy, O rate, sharp increase in money. Chinese bank credit one third went to real estate, commodity. IN my view, USD70 too high for oil. USD 100 next year will have same impact next year as USD 145 last year.
Q: what would happen to USD?
A: this is long-run; will be gradual process if us does not fix econ and fiscal, if uses inflation tax to fix debt problem. But a gradual fall of dollar is necessary. Most of usd adjustment can not be EUR YEN. Others, and this is necessary and beneficial.
Taylan: Q: are you concerned it will be business as usual now assets have rallied?
A: definitely. Agency problems, etc. G20 list has to be immediate sooner than later. More liq, more cap, less lev, imposing higher cap charger in sys important fin inst, broader cooperation in regulation. If you are too large and interconnected you have to be supervised. G20 agreed we'll see if implemented. Definitely risk of complacency.
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